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OnDaFence 36M/44M
44267 posts
12/14/2017 9:23 pm

Last Read:
12/18/2017 8:34 pm

Canada Is DOOMED !!!!!



I have always tried my best to be polite; be professional; have a plan to kill every I meet. That being said Today I /we watched the most interesting documentary that I strongly urge you to watch, It's only 45 minutes out of your day and covers a period in American history in the mid-1930's when the USA considered plans to take on the British Empire by invading Canada. Most of you may access you tube. look for;

America's Planned War on Britain-- https://youtu.be/kS2AlIJ621c --



The Joint Army and Navy Basic War Plan Red was of the color-coded war plans created by the United States Army in the late 1920s and early 1930s to estimate the requirements for a hypothetical war with the United Kingdom (the "Red" forces). War Plan Red diussed the potential for fighting a war with Britain and its Empire and outlined those steps necessary to defend the Atlantic coast against any attempted mainland invasion of the United States. The plan was developed by the United States Army following the 1927 Geneva Naval Conference and approved in May 1930 by Secretary of War Patrick J. Hurley and Secretary of Navy Charles Francis Adams III and updated in 1934–35.



War Plan Red first set out a deription of Canada's geography, military resources, and transportation, then went on to evaluate a series of possible pre-emptive American campaigns to invade Canada in several areas and occupy key ports and railways before British troops could provide reinforcement to the Canadians—the assumption being that Britain would use Canada as a staging point. The idea was that the American attacks on Canada would prevent Britain from using Canadian resources, ports, or airbases.



A key move was a joint U.S. Army-Navy attack to capture the port city of Halifax, cutting off the Canadians from their British allies. Their next objective was to "seize Canadian Power Plants near Niagara Falls." This was to be followed by a full-ale invasion on fronts: From Vermont to take Montreal and Quebec, from North Dakota to take over the railhead at Winnipeg, and from the Midwest to capture the strategic nickel mines of Ontario. In parallel, the U.S. Navy was to seize the Great Lakes and blockade Canada’s Atlantic and Pacific ports


Lieutenant Coll James "Buster" Sutherland Brown

The documentary gets half an hour in with shocking us that the Americans would even consider such a war plan... and then reveals the Canadians had too! Canadian military officer Lieutenant Coll James "Buster" Sutherland Brown developed an earlier counterpart to War Plan Red ed Defense heme No. 1 on April 12, 1921. Maintaining that the best defense was a good offense, "Buster" Brown planned for rapid deployment of flying columns to occupy Seattle, Great Falls, Minneapolis, and Albany. With little hope of holding these objectives, the actual idea was to divert American troops to the flanks and away from Canada, hopefully long enough for Imperial allies to arrive with reinforcements, however, Defense heme No. 1 was terminated by Chief of the General Staff Andrew McNaughton in 1928, prior to the approval of War Plan Red.


Chief of the General Staff Andrew McNaughton

Royal Navy officers generally believed that if war did occur, they could transport an army to Canada if asked, but ntheless saw it as impossible to defend Canada against the much larger United States, so did not plan to do so, as Canada's loss would not be fatal to Britain. A full invasion of the United States was unrealistic and a naval blockade would be too slow. The navy could not use a defensive strategy of waiting for the American fleet to cross the Atlantic because Imperial trade would be left too vulnerable. The Royal Navy officers believed that Britain was vulnerable to a supply blockade and that if a superior American fleet appeared near the British Isles, the Isles would quickly surrender. The officers planned to, instead, attack the American fleet from a Western Hemisphere base, likely Bermuda, while other ships based in Canada and the West Indies would attack American shipping and protect Imperial trade. The navy would also bombard coastal bases and make small amphibious assaults. India and Australia would capture Manila to prevent American attacks on British trade in Asia and perhaps a conquest of Hong Kong. The officers hoped that such acts would result in a stalemate making continued war unpopular in the United States, followed by a negotiated peace.



All that said most countries have war plans. Canada's war plan involved a quick strike across the border then a retreat blowing up all bridges and river crossings then hunkering down and waiting for the royal navy to come bail them out. Britain's plan involved giving up Canada completely. To me personally from the advantage of 2017 hind sight had these plans ever been used they would have been a costly loss of way too many men and a vast amount of resources that would have been needed to fight Imperial Japan and Europe's Faist forces.



OnDaFence 36M/44M

12/14/2017 9:29 pm

I would guess there are updated plans to fight a war with Mexico, Canada, Britain, France, and about any other country on earth - or even aliens


OnDaFence 36M/44M

12/14/2017 9:30 pm

so the British response woulda been "LOL its Canada, have fun"


OnDaFence 36M/44M

12/14/2017 9:32 pm

the real reason for invading Canada would be to get the better half of Niagara Falls.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

12/14/2017 9:36 pm

The war never came about because FDR was the best president Britain ever owned and operated.


Hungr4Yungr 75M
5766 posts
12/15/2017 6:38 am

I am flabbergasted! That Is something I never knew, and now want to forget. Thank you so much for your research on this interesting point of history that never materialized.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

12/15/2017 5:46 pm

    Quoting Hungr4Yungr:
    I am flabbergasted! That Is something I never knew, and now want to forget. Thank you so much for your research on this interesting point of history that never materialized.
It was actually an exceptionally well done documentary you should watch. Jut use this code on youtube America's Planned War on Britain-- https://youtu.be/kS2AlIJ621c --


OnDaFence 36M/44M

12/15/2017 6:05 pm

    Quoting Ross4you:
    As a Brit & a Canadian, I knew of this - it was on the BBC about 15-20 years ago. But guess even the Americans thought it was a 'long shot'. Trying to capture the nickel mines at Sudbury (or even the uranium mines at Elliott Lake!)?! There were only single roads then, & no road north of Lake Superior, just endless tracts of bush. American hunters/fishermen these days can't go anywhere without a float plane & Canadian guide, & the Marines would have got beaten back by the black flies (DDT wasn't quite around then either)!
They didn't mention the Canadian winter which could be as bad as the Russian winter was to Napoleon & Hitler. Occupation troops would be needed for a couple generations as was seen in Germany & Japan. I just don't view this undertaking as being profitable in the long run even though 90% of the Canadian populus live within 400 miles of the current US border.


jrodd 65M
4396 posts
12/16/2017 3:58 am

If such thing was to occure there would not have been enough resources to fight Hitler and the Natzis woulda taken over Britain weakened by the waring against USA .We all be speaking German now .But remember that computer war simulation machine that asked the little boy "can we play a game?" and the kid said" lets play thermonuclear war!". Near the end of the movie the computer went crazy mapping out hundreds of war maps so many ways to strike countries at war simulations huh it said theres no way to win a war ! So whats the outcome would this computer say ? If this computer was real?( And Im sure they have a killer computer that does this !). What if it ran the historical plans like this operation Red plan algorthymes and other plans like this from other countries hmm interesting outcomes? hmmm?


OnDaFence 36M/44M

12/16/2017 10:10 pm

    Quoting jrodd:
    If such thing was to occure there would not have been enough resources to fight Hitler and the Natzis woulda taken over Britain weakened by the waring against USA .We all be speaking German now .But remember that computer war simulation machine that asked the little boy "can we play a game?" and the kid said" lets play thermonuclear war!". Near the end of the movie the computer went crazy mapping out hundreds of war maps so many ways to strike countries at war simulations huh it said theres no way to win a war ! So whats the outcome would this computer say ? If this computer was real?( And Im sure they have a killer computer that does this !). What if it ran the historical plans like this operation Red plan algorthymes and other plans like this from other countries hmm interesting outcomes? hmmm?
I am a belligerent sort of person and when push comes to shove I am the first to pick up my battle ax and start swinging, however,sooner or later our world will come to the realization that war is not always th best method of settling disagreements. Dead people and smashed buildings don't pose a pleasant form of infrastructure for a nation's best interest.


jrodd 65M
4396 posts
12/18/2017 3:23 am

Id much preferred an extraterrestial invasion ,lol.


OnDaFence 36M/44M

12/18/2017 8:34 pm

    Quoting jrodd:
    Id much preferred an extraterrestial invasion ,lol.
You've watched "SIGNS" a few too many times.


newboy69 69M
162 posts
12/20/2017 3:30 pm

Great article. I had never heard of Plan Red and found it very interesting.

If the invasion had occurred, we Canadians would have ran around with our pitchforks and clubs yelling "Remember General Brock".